tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post4777908919756662504..comments2024-03-17T13:31:15.327+05:30Comments on TuLu Research & Studies: 212. PāDiRavindra Mundkurhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09073231068374498281noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-9971441642378638122009-11-27T07:40:29.201+05:302009-11-27T07:40:29.201+05:30Thank You, Manjunath.Genome data are quite interst...Thank You, Manjunath.Genome data are quite intersting, though the spread and scope of genetic studies on Dravidians and Mundas appear quite insufficent to me.. <br />Besides,I don't think the data cited by you contradicts with what I have proposed.<br />Basically, data on Dravidians with several genetic groups reflect to me that they are admixtures of several layers of immigration cycles.<br />Probably, data on Indian Munda groups is insuffiecient.Ravindra Mundkurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09073231068374498281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-43284895437171104412009-11-27T07:40:28.677+05:302009-11-27T07:40:28.677+05:30Thank You, Manjunath.Genome data are quite interst...Thank You, Manjunath.Genome data are quite intersting, though the spread and scope of genetic studies on Dravidians and Mundas appear quite insufficent to me.. <br />Besides,I don't think the data cited by you contradicts with what I have proposed.<br />Basically, data on Dravidians with several genetic groups reflect to me that they are admixtures of several layers of immigration cycles.<br />Probably, data on Indian Munda groups is insuffiecient.Ravindra Mundkurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09073231068374498281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-41014594130465596252009-11-21T21:53:33.290+05:302009-11-21T21:53:33.290+05:30I'm talking about uniparental lineages like Y-...I'm talking about uniparental lineages like Y-chromosome (in the case of males which corresponds to patrilineally inherited surnames only in males) and mitochondrial DNA which is matrilineally inherited (both male and female and corresponds to matrilineally inherited family names like in Malayalis and Tuluvas). <br /><br />In this sense, Gonds and other Dravidians are similar (mainly carry Y-chromosomes named as Y-haplogroup H, L, J2b, R2 etc... though later lineage like R1a1 which makes up 35-50% Indo-Aryan speakers of North India and generally associated with IE expansion may form 10-20% of Dravidian tribes and castes too).<br /><br />However, Mundas aren't Dravidians as they carry Y-chromosome haplogroup O2a predominantly which is the major lineage of Austro-Asiatic speakers in SE Asia. This of course, corresponds to Munda languages too as it's part of Austro-Asiatic family of languages. Therefore, Gonds are Dravidians like us but Mundas are not which of course is obvious in the language families.<br /><br />However, in the case, female lineages (mtDNA) most of these groups carry South Asia specific lineages.<br /><br />Among major Dravidian male lineages:<br />H - Nearly 99% found in South Asia<br />L and R2 - Nearly 90-95% found in South Asia<br />J2b - may make up 10-15% in West Asia and Southern Europe and among Dravidians...the only Mediterranean marker (May be you can attribute Dravidian languages to the elite domination of these Neolithic migrants from West Asia but I prefer our matrilineages as you don't find any different languages families in Dravidian regions but which is not the case in North India).<br />R1a1: Mostly observed in North India, Central Asia and Eastern Europe (35-60%). Frequency goes down from 30-0% in Western Europe. Iran and South India may carry around 10-15% of this lineage.Manju Edangamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00474338169829802934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-28355242708716120612009-11-20T17:01:12.682+05:302009-11-20T17:01:12.682+05:30Are you sure that Gonds and Mundas are genetically...Are you sure that Gonds and Mundas are genetically Dravidians?<br />Or is it that Dravidians inherited genetic signatures from the Munda-Gond tribes?<br />My analysis-correct me if I am wrong- cumulatively shows me that the terrain was dominated earlier by Munda-Gond people in the beginning probably until ca.600-400 BC when the 'Dravidian proper' immigrants came in from north and gradually assimilated with the prior settlers/aborigines.Ravindra Mundkurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09073231068374498281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-55703199373105435382009-11-20T07:59:56.592+05:302009-11-20T07:59:56.592+05:30Genetically, Gonds are not a Austro-Asiatic people...Genetically, Gonds are not a Austro-Asiatic people but Dravidians matching their linguistic profile. Their male and female lineages are same as that of other Dravidian male and females. <br /><br />Some of the Gond tribes living at close quarters with Munda tribes have Austro-Asiatic male lineages because of admixture. This is true in the case of Mundas too as they have mostly Dravidian maternal lineages and few Dravidian paternal lineages too.Manju Edangamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00474338169829802934noreply@blogger.com