tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.comments2024-03-17T13:31:15.327+05:30TuLu Research & StudiesRavindra Mundkurhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09073231068374498281noreply@blogger.comBlogger770125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-65566494976560114922024-03-09T22:22:20.282+05:302024-03-09T22:22:20.282+05:30Useful information from this blog post. Thanks for...Useful information from this blog post. Thanks for sharing.<br /><a href="https://artycraftz.com/" rel="nofollow">home interior ideas</a>Venkatesh Armugamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17643561796912046000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-74120350996992019022024-01-12T19:41:07.682+05:302024-01-12T19:41:07.682+05:30here completely wrong information regarding deyyu ...here completely wrong information regarding deyyu and perna ... They were not twins . deyyu born in Enmoor village and kelatha pernu belongs kela village (now in belthangadi taluk).<br />deyyu and tanimanig are the twins <br />no relation between mudda kalal and tannimaniga <br />kunjumaniga was real name of sister of mudda kalala<br />kelatha pernu is husband of tannimaniga( sister of deyyu)<br />tannjimaniga who saved kordabbu is sister of deyyu, not mudda kalala<br />deyyu maniga and mudda kalala are completely different twins<br />Father and mother of deyyu and tannimaniga are Bale baravana Odi and kunju mattedi where as father and mothers of mudda kalala are mudara and thaniyaru<br /><br />still many misinterpretation regarding deyyu and maniga.<br />I request to reverify these in Mugerkala ....not withAuthors of these books<br />sudhirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02569268756896916792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-75534163804745567632023-12-06T18:36:30.804+05:302023-12-06T18:36:30.804+05:30the word nair is found as the tulu word for nangol...the word nair is found as the tulu word for nangol for plough. references are found in the sreekanTaeswaram dictionary as well as malayalam lexicon . you will get more explanation in the book entiled nanchinadu: harbinger of rice and plough culture in the ancient world.v. sankaran nair - The word nager came from nangol for plough spoken in Indus. the details can be had from the book Nanchinadu: Harbinger of Rice and Plough Culture in the Ancient WOrld.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07987731313001148782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-15031503414700392372021-05-18T14:20:29.831+05:302021-05-18T14:20:29.831+05:30When Ravi saw the light of this Mother Earth, I wa...When Ravi saw the light of this Mother Earth, I was in IVth Form (9th Std.- 1953-54) at Vidyadayini,Suratkal. Our friendship developed since 2006 on reading the book Tulu Patero, borrowed from a friend.It took deep roots since we met in 2008.vishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362173223889755480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-69402039182892251962017-01-01T20:58:43.438+05:302017-01-01T20:58:43.438+05:30Thank u for the information.when I was in school I...Thank u for the information.when I was in school I lived in Mangalore.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13749709245752267304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-63193229597941765172016-12-27T22:34:03.095+05:302016-12-27T22:34:03.095+05:30This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09162696480638456212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-68884669444068999832016-12-26T21:37:28.696+05:302016-12-26T21:37:28.696+05:30Hi can you please explain which is the ideal way t...Hi can you please explain which is the ideal way to place the panjurli daiva sthana..Is it I side the house or is it to be placed in outside house gudi.how this has been decided?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-5674956857696893992016-12-23T11:39:46.983+05:302016-12-23T11:39:46.983+05:30@ "Hey! What is the gotra of the mogaveera co...@ "Hey! What is the gotra of the mogaveera community. When we travel to other southern india states, the poojaris pose this question to us."<br /><br />- Your "bari" is your real "gotra"! This applies to all Tulu communities that follow the bari system.Ravindra Mundkurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09073231068374498281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-88119728084298417312016-12-19T21:58:34.172+05:302016-12-19T21:58:34.172+05:30Where Paraná has mentioned it?.I have read about n...Where Paraná has mentioned it?.I have read about nadavars mooguveras and billvas are the original people of the coastal side and there r like sisters. Bunts are not mentioned. As far this naga thing which the Nair's adopted from the kurubas Kannada yadavas when they were made to staying region. Both Nair's and bunts came from north. Mysore the naga nadu. Any civilisation u take naga r the first to form it. Even in African the Egyptian r considered master race. They r nagas present day Sudanese r biblical Egyptians. As far nagas in India they r indigenous people who r present in karanata. The kurubas form the largest indigenous group. They have oldest custuma and traditions kept even today.the Scythian is not vedic origin. They entered India around 2century ad. As the Nepal naga worship is consider it was taken to Nepal by malla from mysore even the kumari tradition comes from Kannada people of mysore. the Kannada kingdom which was ruling that region. In up and Bihar they do not celebrate. Mahisasura mardini went to Bengal when senus who r karnatic khastriyas entered Bengal. Scythian breed has adopted the traditions quite late. Same with rajput and Punjabi and western up where Scythian population is more. The original people.of western up r andra people not telenagan. Telangan maharastea are basically kanaresa origin. Scythian breed like bunt and nair no went in vedic history or blood. It is only after the British given western education these community became successful. Before British era the condition of bunts and nairs in Kerala is very different. Swami vivekanan called Kerala has mental asylum. Quite shocking when read the book but it is true. There was no thali padathi no that great customs and even the girls r left freely to wonder. In up region the brahmins were warned not enter to punchanadu that is Punjab. Women r left freely and too much of drinks non veg illegal relationship when scythian breed entered in to india this is how they were. Even the so called Jews in isreal r Scythian by origin. They think that they r the children of abrahmin. But the children abrahmin r sark race. Entire history including the bible has been edited to fit the whites in missile east. But the truth is very different. Get out of this internet garbage start reading books.Bhavanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14606907122958739168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-76711531189194884722016-12-19T14:46:53.657+05:302016-12-19T14:46:53.657+05:30The bunts and Nair's Are same . they r conside...The bunts and Nair's Are same . they r considered as shudras by brhmins in varna. The naga tradition were adopted from Kannada people when Nair's were made to stay in Mysore region. It is even said that Nair's and bunts were brought from north part of India. Rastrakuttos are the one who brought them to south. Nair's and bunts show saka origin similar to Punjabi's. This is what I came know when I was reading about naga nadu that is Mysore region.Bhavanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14606907122958739168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-34160803039421465152016-12-16T16:47:34.198+05:302016-12-16T16:47:34.198+05:30Hey! What is the gotra of the mogaveera community....Hey! What is the gotra of the mogaveera community. When we travel to other southern india states, the poojaris pose this question to us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-63683731004037049432016-12-02T11:23:57.058+05:302016-12-02T11:23:57.058+05:30Keshav Naik, I suggest that you write a guest pos...Keshav Naik, I suggest that you write a guest post on Uttara Kannada Nadavaru in this blog, summarizing all the available data on the topic.Ravindra Mundkurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09073231068374498281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-20798828475651759062016-12-01T15:06:12.736+05:302016-12-01T15:06:12.736+05:30i am very much thankful for your positive response...i am very much thankful for your positive response for my comment mr ravindra reason for calling a group as uppunadavar and another group as torke nadavar is to be investigated but from bakads profile of india it is defined as"uppunadavar and torke nadavar are two endogamous groups of nadavar"according to me name torkenadavar is not derived from village torke but name to the particular village came due to the reason that inhabitants of that place are torke nadavar.it is my interpretation.one more thing what i have observed is thatin habitants of villages vannalli kadie and chittargi of kumta are called as nadavaronly instead calling them as uppunadavar.mostly where both the groups are staying in a common area inorder to identify the group they may be called as uppunadavar and torke nadavar.but as my opinion is concerned it is necessary have united nadavar forum of uttar kannada.then we can think of south kanara nadavar to be united.even in this regard if i get chance present paper on nadavar in some occassion like nadavar habbain north kanara iam preparedAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06788163812003440330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-21965256250247156562016-12-01T11:42:12.971+05:302016-12-01T11:42:12.971+05:30Thank You Keshav Naik,
Any idea why the Ankola gro...Thank You Keshav Naik,<br />Any idea why the Ankola group is called Uppu-Nadava? Or is it Upa-Nadava?Ravindra Mundkurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09073231068374498281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-6552393144999964682016-12-01T10:25:47.603+05:302016-12-01T10:25:47.603+05:30nadavaru of south kanara and north kanara are defi...nadavaru of south kanara and north kanara are defitely same they may be branches ofa tree of nadavar.here i want mention that uppu nadavar of ankola are migrated from south kanara about 600-700 years back while coming they brought lord shankar narayan from south kanara and established in tenkankeri near ankola.this reflects that there is link between bunts and nadavar of uttar kannada.tulundavar ,uppunadavar and torkenadavar are groups of nadavar of karnataka.these are not of different caste.particularly torke nadavar and uppunadavar are endogamous groups of nadavar.but unfortunately they are having the feel that they are of different caste.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06788163812003440330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-14720037362115271682016-11-23T23:19:41.017+05:302016-11-23T23:19:41.017+05:30Capt. Ajit VadakayilOctober 12, 2012 at 5:54 PM
hi...Capt. Ajit VadakayilOctober 12, 2012 at 5:54 PM<br />hi vijan,<br /><br />there has been too much of history written by the british about kerala , using tamilian brahmins. all this is just plain bull.<br /><br />how ever, i agree with the term "white thiyya" -- in malayalam they are called KOPPA KOOTU, which means porcelain mix..<br /><br />the british found the thiyya girls very hot and full blooded . and just like the anglo indians these koppa kuttu fair shinned thiyyas exist even now.<br /><br />the only difference being they did NOT leave hinduism -- they exist within hinduism.<br /><br />so a fair girl among thiyya community are often referred to as koppa kootu in a DERISIVE manner -- which is unfair as there are so many fair girls in this community -- unlike the ezhavas , with whom they have been bracketed. <br /><br />70 centuries of trade and mixing of blood is inherent . <br /><br />DNA tests should be done, on the Thiyyas to check out the mix with Arab and Judean blood -- -- ALL THIS BEFORE ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY CAME INTO EXISTENCE.<br /><br />no thiyya father will give his daughter to an ezhava girl-- no matter how rich and prominent they are in society. YOU MUST DO A CULTURAL POLL OF YOUR OWN ON THIS SUBJECT IN A DISCREET MANNER.<br /><br />this fierce thing about marrying off own daughters , rubbed on on the nairs of north kerala -- north of kannur. <br /><br />and nairs of north kerala, told the lecherous namboodiris who came for sambandham with a hop at night , to FU#K OFF.<br /><br />capt ajit vadakayil<br /><br />http://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.ae/2012/10/muthappan-deity-of-north-kerala-capt.htmlshyamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03242768515318985234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-678354133674970702016-11-23T23:12:18.027+05:302016-11-23T23:12:18.027+05:30http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kochi/An-i...http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kochi/An-idea-that-changed-Shyamalans-life/articleshow/11623883.cmsshyamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03242768515318985234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-31489214523985310312016-10-17T11:57:50.793+05:302016-10-17T11:57:50.793+05:30Vinayere, Irena sadaashayogu enna mast mast dhanya...Vinayere, Irena sadaashayogu enna mast mast dhanyavaadolu.Ravindra Mundkurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09073231068374498281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-48416928851458645642016-10-12T22:08:51.271+05:302016-10-12T22:08:51.271+05:30Namaskara shree ravindra mundkur..Ernetu itthinna ...Namaskara shree ravindra mundkur..Ernetu itthinna gyanonu eeer jana samanyanaglegu theripawondu ullaru..Tulunadu da prati onji vishayogu eer Tharemutta jattu tulu samskriti tulu jana tulu bhasenu dumbu konpichitina karyonu malthondu ullaru... Ereg yenna bokka Tulunadu da janaklena sahaya yepala upppadAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17651811249011152275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-64192824332896836472016-10-11T12:19:07.428+05:302016-10-11T12:19:07.428+05:30Dear Anonymous (comment Received :9-10-2016)
[Plea...Dear Anonymous (comment Received :9-10-2016)<br />[Please write your name in the comment].<br />Well, your question can be answered in more than one way. But I shall follow a simplistic logical explanation in my reply:<br />The spirit cults like Panjurli are evolved by our ancestors in the early agricultural societies located beside forest areas mainly to protect their crops and their families from predators. They are not considered as part of Shiva-gana o begin with.(Subsequently some people might have considered the spirits as Shiva-ganas)<br />On the other hand, the Vishnu followers adopted the Panjurli/Varaha doctrine as one of the ten incarnations of Vishnu.<br />In the region known as Parashurama Shristi, the worship of Panjurli has been distinct. You can also see evidences of similar cults in other parts of South India as Varaha cult. A river originating in Uttara Kannada Western Ghats (Sahyadri) has been named as Varahi. Probably during Vijayanagar regime (or before)the Varaha cult spread to Andhra also as you can find a temple devoted to Varahaswamy in Tirupati (which as per traditions should be visited before visiting the Lord Venkatesha.<br /><br />Ravindra Mundkurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09073231068374498281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-85067715456173112932016-10-09T19:21:21.634+05:302016-10-09T19:21:21.634+05:30Are all these daivas, being sent by Lord Shiva fro...Are all these daivas, being sent by Lord Shiva from Kailash to maintain law and order in the society ? Are they Shiv Ganas ? Is there power limited to only Parushuram Shrishti, because in rest of India we don't see such kind of tradition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-48177355097845659892016-09-21T13:52:37.068+05:302016-09-21T13:52:37.068+05:30Sorry for the broken sentences in my reply above:
...Sorry for the broken sentences in my reply above:<br />1...."Baris are definitely older than" castes.<br />2.Fish/es was one of the earliest "God" to have been worshiped in India. The ancient cult of "Matsya" was later adopted into one of the incarnations of Lord Vishnu by Vaishnavas.( This is how how they expanded their religious bases in the olden days). This explains why rulers like Alupa and Pandyas whose economy was largely based on sea trade adopted the fish God as their emblems.<br />3.The consolidated concept of Hinduism is a recent one, developed especially after 13th century CE of Vidyarana and the Vijayanagar kings.<br />4. Regarding outcastes I have some curious observation:<br />Every new tribal group which came and settled in his land (let us say Tulunadu)during the history looked down upon the older inhabitants. Probably in other words, every new entrant group felt that it is superior to the one that already had settled in the land.<br />Thus Koragas became down trodden when Mansa tribes came. Mansa became outcastes when Munda tribes came and settled. Mundas felt denigrated when Mugeras came and settled. Mugeras in turn felt inferior while Billavas came and so on the chain continued!.<br />Through out the history, if you study carefully, you realize that looking down upon others-ie older inhabitants- was one of the strategies adopted by all tribes (who came and settled late) to pose themselves as superiors in the race!<br />Ravindra Mundkurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09073231068374498281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-45131417098739122912016-09-21T13:11:18.938+05:302016-09-21T13:11:18.938+05:30Rather we should not look back into the history fr...Rather we should not look back into the history from the angle of castes we find now.The "castes" we find around us now have been fashioned in recent years, probably clearly after 15th century.In the early days, there were numerous tribes which were modified into "bari"s when they fused into communities. Baris are definitely older than Existence of more number of baris in any present caste/community suggests more wider fusion of multiple tribes.The word "Shetty" suggests merchant.<br />By this logic Alupa do not belong to any the forward caste groups we broadly recognise now. Alupa were originally from Alupe village in eastern part of Mangaluru, which was on coast up to ca.2nd century CE. The "kheda" in the term Aluva kheda means a deep valley or ditch. We can find the deep valley in Alupe- Maroli even now (That is located between Kulashekhar- Padil and Nanthur- Pumpwell). The rare Suryanaryana temple at Maroli suggests a historical fact. Munda tribes were/are originally sun worshippers. So Alupa kings originally could have been from Munda community. (The "Alupa" to "Alva" term modification is historically later one).<br />Again like Billa(wa), Mugera and Munda(la) were also warriors and soldiers. (There could have been more such warrior tribes/communities in the past).<br />For the Alupa fish emblem Matysendranath (ca.9-10 century CE)is not the only source.Fish emblems were there during Harappa Mohenjodaro too (goes back to ca. 1500 BC).<br />Alupa and Kadamba rulers were friends and relatives. The Kadamba was/is the holy tree for Munda tribes. Mayur (Maira original tribal name) had fascination for studying sanskrit. He went to Kanchi to learn sanskrit and become Mayura sharma. However, he was not allowed there and was rejected. He returned home and settled in Banavasi,designated himself as Mayur varma and fought against the Pallavas and built a new kingdom named after the "Kadamba" clan!<br />He had fascination for sanskrit studies so he brought scholars (Brahmins) from other regions to look after the temples built by him.<br /><br />These are my deductions as I understand from the available historical data.Ravindra Mundkurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09073231068374498281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-11389107445969197392016-09-20T18:48:49.663+05:302016-09-20T18:48:49.663+05:30It is cited in the article that one certain king f...It is cited in the article that one certain king from the northern region named Mayura Sharma who later came to be known as Mayura Varma wanted to spread Hinduism in Southern region, especially in Alva kheda as per the article. The kingdom at that time would have been ruled by a shetty king as bunts have retained this surname to this date. The Alva kheda region comprised of Uttara karnataka region along with kasargod region. Well let's deduce, Shetty's are a warrior class by caste,from what I have learnt,but then the same can't be said about Billavas. I propose two theories here:-<br /><br />1. The kingdom must have been ruled by multiple kings during the course of time. The initial ones patronized buddhism as evident from the coins from the dynasty. Two twin fishes, Matseyendranath has matsya in his initial name. <br /><br />2. The ones who refused to accept Hinduism as the supreme religion must have been pushed to an outcast role. Ritualistic hinduism took supremacy over the more dogmatic aspects of the belief system.<br /><br />The above mentioned story is just a speculation, as to what could have possibly transpired. Mundkur anna studying the coins from the region and more about Matseyendranath and natha cult might help.<br /><br />My apologies if there are major discrepancies in the theories mentioned.<br /> <br />Madhavi.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-13015078467583434402016-09-20T12:40:46.122+05:302016-09-20T12:40:46.122+05:30Evidently there was distinct influence of Buddhism...Evidently there was distinct influence of Buddhism in early Tulu nadu. I have touched upon some of these aspects (on Buddhism, Bhagavati,Mayikala and Kadri) in some of my earlier Posts. Thanks for the reference you cited. ( In that site the author has quoted posts from our blog.)<br />However some lose ends remain:like what happened to ancient Buddhists of Tulu-nadu? Were they converted to some other faiths with time?Ravindra Mundkurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09073231068374498281noreply@blogger.com