tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post9196182322303231490..comments2024-03-17T13:31:15.327+05:30Comments on TuLu Research & Studies: 52. Munda aborigines of KaravaliRavindra Mundkurhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09073231068374498281noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-13140066582113801702009-09-02T15:43:26.400+05:302009-09-02T15:43:26.400+05:30Jith, the 'piragu', piragottu etc usages y...Jith, the 'piragu', piragottu etc usages you cited from Kerala must be the Malayalam equivalents(modifications) of the original word and place name 'Pirak'.<br />This analogy once again proves that Tulu and Malayalam people have shared ancestry and heritages.Ravindra Mundkurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09073231068374498281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-6829727450139525072009-09-02T14:14:45.088+05:302009-09-02T14:14:45.088+05:30Hi I stumbled upon this article by accident and I ...Hi I stumbled upon this article by accident and I must say I am very fortunate.<br />Concerning the current discussion- in Malayalam we use the word Piragu as in Piragotu, Piragilekk etc all indicating bygone. Mr. Ravi Mandku, do you think we are talking about the same word? If it is, then I must tell you that this word is very widely used in kerala. Can u throw some light on this?pcsjithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13561992541323041074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-78653107218805447372009-06-10T00:20:37.639+05:302009-06-10T00:20:37.639+05:30This post is a bit too late. However, I am a bunt ...This post is a bit too late. However, I am a bunt too and I use this word 'Pirak' quite often, to denote something that is ancient. Since I was a child I am used to my grandmother and her parents using this word. I infact checked this again with my cousins and they use it as well.<br />eg: <br />Avvu bhari pirak andu.<br />Avvu pirak-uda kalada.<br />Pirak-uda gadhe (sayings..)<br />Avvu bhari pirak-udu athina kathe..<br /><br />In fact we do not use puratana-da as this is more a kannada word as opposed to tulu specificAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-4621454867518056682007-11-12T22:18:00.000+05:302007-11-12T22:18:00.000+05:30Dear Rama ShettyThank you for comments.In the firs...Dear Rama Shetty<BR/>Thank you for comments.In the first place,I am sorry that I over-emphasized the word 'Pirak'.But sometimes over-emphasis pays, in the sense, many of our Tulu citizens shall be aware that we had an unusual word known as 'Pirak'. The usage of word 'Pirak' is common to all communities of 'Tuluvas. But unfortunately, many members of the present upcoming generation may be forgetting that word(and may be many such old words) specifically as a consequence of modernization.It is a sort of evolution within the Tulu language in tune with changing times.<BR/>If you need further proof for the existence of the word 'Pirak' in Tulu, please refer to the authoritative 'Tulu Nighantu' (Tulu Lexicon){volume V, 1997,page No 2025) published by Govinda Pai Research Centre, Udupi.The word is classified in the lexicon as 'chtj' which means that it is used by Common Tuluvas( Bunt, Billava, Mogaveera), Harijans,Tribals and Jains.<BR/>Alternate words cited by you,ie, 'purana' and 'puratana'are introduced in recent Tulu as a direct influence(or borrowed) from Hindi/Marathi(Mumbai) and Kannada(Mysore/Bangalore) environs respectively. <BR/> The 'Bisi bele bath' unknown in Mangalore, is being avidly offered by the popular Mangalorean hotels in Mysore and Bangalore!Ravindra Mundkurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09073231068374498281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-842465514699048204.post-31173484174187713182007-11-11T23:04:00.000+05:302007-11-11T23:04:00.000+05:30I am a tulu speaking Bunt (Shetty) from Mangalore....I am a tulu speaking Bunt (Shetty) from Mangalore.<BR/><BR/>I came across your blog and the unusual emphasis on the work 'Pirak'<BR/><BR/>The word Pirak on which your tuluva research is based, is a word that I have never ever come across in my everyday communications.<BR/><BR/>In order to reconfirm the same, I investigated around and spoke with many elders of our community who again claimed to have no knowledge of the existence of the word 'Pirak'.<BR/><BR/>The words ' baari dummbu da' or 'baari purana da' or 'baari puratana da' is generally used to denote the words "very ancient' <BR/><BR/>Pirak is as unknown to us Manglorean Bunts as is 'bisi bele bath' . <BR/>So I hope you can understand my perplexity in the matter. <BR/><BR/>It is possible that :<BR/><BR/>1. Pirak might be used by non-bunt tuluva communities like bilavas, brahmins etc.<BR/><BR/>OR<BR/><BR/>2. Pirak might be used in talukas other than Mangalore as the usage of words is known to change from one taluka to next.<BR/><BR/>Any enlightements is welcome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com